philmein Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 12 angry men comes to mind lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopeydog Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Out for me also I'm afraid, the sooner the better IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 @Diddy Not a matter of pissing in from the outside, we have been a member for 40 years and it clearly isn't working, i doubt another 40 years will make a difference. Free market we pay to be a member of...oh the irony. We ultimately have plebs thousands of miles away who have never lived in or been to our country making decisions about our country etc, etc, just wrong as those people also have the same "it doesn't effect ME" attitudes you pointed out and therefor they make shit decisions and choices. I know what being in the EU means and how it does and doesn't effect the UK and IMHO we are better off out. Its highly unlikely any debate will change my vote and although it has been interesting reading this thread i've yet to see any reason to stay in the EU. There are plenty of other countries like Japan, US, China, Australia etc that thrive and still trade in the EU etc etc but have control over their own countries....we will be fine. Re: Snuffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerbodger Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Im still undecided. Before we negotiated i would of said stay in but since they have been idiots to us, i say screw em and get out. I just worry if we were to come out, i cant see a stable government and if we were to leave i just feel we would be pulled back and forth and not actually have any changes that will be set in stone What worries me the most though is the amount of people who may vote to leave who are actually doing it without knowing any facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 What worries me the most though is the amount of people who may vote to leave who are actually doing it without knowing any facts! Well i understand that concern mate....however i'm sure it'll even out as you'll also have those who have no clue voting to stay in. Just read we have Boris in the Brexit camp.....We win. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddy Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 The one's that genuinely don't read about it, nor don't take any interest in it are the same one's who are not interested enough to vote so they don't make a huge difference. It might come to pass the the UK vote out and the EU implodes without the UK's funding of the poorer nations, (We are by far not the only nor the biggest net contributor by the way). But anyway I don't think the EU would be able to carry on without all of it's net contributors so IF we did vote out it may come to pass that the EU self implodes and reverts back to the original concept out of pure need rather than want. Maybe we could then properly tweak the bit's that the richer/more powerful countries keep voting down.....Then we will get the next vote on entering into a binding New EU trade agreement without the freedom of movement and entitlement to benefits that seems to annoy some. Human rights though - that is here to stay in a modern democracy. More like it than don't. The rich and powerful certainly don't like it so that for one is a good enough reason for me to like it. All this about XYZ can't be deported because of Human rights ect - How many times has this actually happened ? You would have thought that there were thousands of gun carrying hooded up terrorists freed from our jails roaming the streets due to us not being able to deport them.....How many is there in the real world though ? I am asking a genuine question as I have not researched it enough but Id bet it's single figures...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suke Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'm still on the fence here. I am sure that between now and voting day there will be arguments from both sides. At the moment i don't know enough from either side to be able to make a decision, so i'll sit back and read all the arguments and then make my mind up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mik Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 At the moment i don't know enough from either side to be able to make a decision There's fook all facts and figures just bollox. The people who run this country want fookin. It'll just be bollox spouted until the referendum and people will vote depending on the rag they read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Would know who these are or what the do ?? http://www.europarl.org.uk/en/your-meps.html it's a strong "out" for me, point system to get in the country, take control of our borders, make our own laws and not to answer to a gang of 3rd world countries were people still go to work on a donkey (bar those on the beaches), we put in 13.9billion and receive 4.9billion back so we lose 9 billion a year. The biggest receiver is Poland who put in a cup of warm piss and receive about 10 billion. Now I was no A student at school but the sounds of it were on a bad deal here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Spark Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Eu Referendum Campaign 20 February at 13:45 · We are the world’s fifth largest economy, with the best armed forces of any nation, more Nobel Prizes than any European country and more world-leading universities than any European country. Our economy is more dynamic than the Eurozone, we have the most attractive capital city on the globe, the greatest “soft power” and global influence of any state and a leadership role in NATO and the UN. Are we really too small, too weak and too powerless to make a success of self-rule? On the contrary, the reason the EU’s bureaucrats oppose us leaving is they fear that our success outside will only underline the scale of their failure. Fair point in my humble..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Thing is , how many times does a bookie get it wrong ?, you never see one driving a ford focus ;- http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/eu-referendum/referendum-on-eu-membership-result?selectionName=stay If you fancy us to leave the EU take a punt at nr 2/1 it's not a bad price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddy Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Something I heard on the radio earlier...given how close this referendum "might" be isn't it scandalous that they are holding it on the 2nd day of Glastonbury AND for those home nations who bloody managed to qualify for Euro 2016 (Oh the irony lol) well anyway the vote also lands in the middle of the home nations group games.....What a bloody cock up imho. There has been a petition to ask for a special polling booth to be set uo at the glasto site - but the electoral commission have said that it is impossible and technically against polling rules lol. I don't think it really matters that it is barely 2 weeks after the scottish elections...but still the timing could have been better imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2905 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 I'm away on holiday when it happens but i assume there will be a postal vote option like the elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddy Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I'm away on holiday when it happens but i assume there will be a postal vote option like the elections. Oh yeah the usual options are open which are postal/proxy...but as you know a lot of people who "may" have voted in person will simply not bother. As another aside did you see Cameron Vr's Boris today when Cameron officially announced the ref date ect.....Pretty electrifying stuff there...considering that they have a long history together but are not in any way best "buddies" lol....The Tory party is now officially at war with itself...Even Labour Mp's were cheering Cameron today and inviting him to cross the floor lmao - And he responded by calling them his new friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Notice the SNP is threatening a new indi vote should we vote to leave the EU against Scotlands will?? WTF, are Scotland not part of the UK and do they not get a vote in the upcoming EU vote?? i think they do so that Jimmy Crankie wannabe should shut her fugly mouth tbh, threatening a new indi vote. Its a UK vote, not England v's scotland vote ffs....pathetic excuse of a woman. All this scaremongering is doing is making me want to vote out of the EU more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2905 Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Notice the SNP is threatening a new indi vote should we vote to leave the EU against Scotlands will?? WTF, are Scotland not part of the UK and do they not get a vote in the upcoming EU vote?? i think they do so that Jimmy Crankie wannabe should shut her fugly mouth tbh, threatening a new indi vote. Its a UK vote, not England v's scotland vote ffs....pathetic excuse of a woman. All this scaremongering is doing is making me want to vote out of the EU more than once. I noticed that earlier, surely the fact that there are a lot of Scottish people that want independence from the England would mean that her statement of a possible referendum for Scotland could bring in a surge of out votes from Scotland. But i think it's all just politics, Cameron will no doubt owe far a favour for her support should we vote to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Notice the SNP is threatening a new indi vote should we vote to leave the EU against Scotlands will?? WTF, are Scotland not part of the UK and do they not get a vote in the upcoming EU vote?? i think they do so that Jimmy Crankie wannabe should shut her fugly mouth tbh, threatening a new indi vote. Its a UK vote, not England v's scotland vote ffs....pathetic excuse of a woman. All this scaremongering is doing is making me want to vote out of the EU more than once. I noticed that earlier, surely the fact that there are a lot of Scottish people that want independence from the England would mean that her statement of a possible referendum for Scotland could bring in a surge of out votes from Scotland. But i think it's all just politics, Cameron will no doubt owe far a favour for her support should we vote to stay. She is talking out her arse, Scotland had its chance and chose to stay, end of so get over it SNP. You really think Westminster is going to allow another Scottish indi vote if we (THE UK) chooses to leave the EU or each time something happens the Scots don't like.....pathetic, i know a good few Scots who voted to stay as part of the UK and others who voted to leave who don't want to be in the EU any mroe than some of us English etc so where she gets her ideas from is beyond me, one very delusional woman who has ideas way above her station. Its the if we vote against the Scots is what i don't get, Scots have a vote in the in or out of EU ballot ffs just as everyone else in the UK does. Like the rest of the UK they will have to get on with the majority vote without crying about independence should the vote not go the way some want.....i don't want to stay in the EU but if the end result is majority want to stay then i'm not going to bitch about it and will accept the result is fixed and move on. Just find it very annoying that the vote is being hijacked by some muppet like Sturgeon with powerless threats about another Scottish indi vote should we (THE WHOLE UK)vote to leave....This is about the UK and its continued membership in the EU, its not about Scotland v's England so grow up, stop trying to be more important than you really are, know your place and STFU. Arggghhhhhhhh, rant over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeftron Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Depends if they release the polling data by region. If 90percent of Scottish voters back the remain side, but the UK overall voted leave, then she may have a point that Scotland was removed against its collective will. Whether that would be grounds to hold a second indyref is another matter - as is the debate whether Scotland would be allowed to re-join the EU on the same terms as it currently has. Turkey, Poland and the rest of the Eastern EU countries wouldn't be happy about a small country getting to join without adopting the Euro and without years long sliding scales of integration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epson Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 On the fence at the moment, will listen to debates re pros & cons then decide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddy Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Notice the SNP is threatening a new indi vote should we vote to leave the EU against Scotlands will?? WTF, are Scotland not part of the UK and do they not get a vote in the upcoming EU vote?? i think they do so that Jimmy Crankie wannabe should shut her fugly mouth tbh, threatening a new indi vote. Its a UK vote, not England v's scotland vote ffs....pathetic excuse of a woman. All this scaremongering is doing is making me want to vote out of the EU more than once. I noticed that earlier, surely the fact that there are a lot of Scottish people that want independence from the England would mean that her statement of a possible referendum for Scotland could bring in a surge of out votes from Scotland. But i think it's all just politics, Cameron will no doubt owe far a favour for her support should we vote to stay. She is talking out her arse, Scotland had its chance and chose to stay, end of so get over it SNP. You really think Westminster is going to allow another Scottish indi vote if we (THE UK) chooses to leave the EU or each time something happens the Scots don't like.....pathetic, i know a good few Scots who voted to stay as part of the UK and others who voted to leave who don't want to be in the EU any mroe than some of us English etc so where she gets her ideas from is beyond me, one very delusional woman who has ideas way above her station. Its the if we vote against the Scots is what i don't get, Scots have a vote in the in or out of EU ballot ffs just as everyone else in the UK does. Like the rest of the UK they will have to get on with the majority vote without crying about independence should the vote not go the way some want.....i don't want to stay in the EU but if the end result is majority want to stay then i'm not going to bitch about it and will accept the result is fixed and move on. Just find it very annoying that the vote is being hijacked by some muppet like Sturgeon with powerless threats about another Scottish indi vote should we (THE WHOLE UK)vote to leave....This is about the UK and its continued membership in the EU, its not about Scotland v's England so grow up, stop trying to be more important than you really are, know your place and STFU. Arggghhhhhhhh, rant over. Do you still love us though Snuffs ? lol I don't think anyone needs to concern themselves about ind ref 2 just yet....Even if you drag us out lol (joke btw) - I think an out vote WILL lead to the EU collapsing. Frankly they couldn't nor I don't think would even want to try to continue without the UK's net contribution. Now im not saying that the EU will collapse next day or anything like that but I feel that the whole thing would e under funded right from the get go and if it took 2-3 years before the divorce was finalized 2 things would happen. 1. The Eu will either shrink or fold 2. We Scots weather in or out voters will look at the state of the EU and think fook that for a game of soldiers and Tell the SNP to chill the fook out haha. The Scottish indi ref was pretty close in the fact that it exposed that nearly half the country voted for the breakup...I did too BUT as far as im concerned the people have been asked the question and it was answered. We all agreed to the question and the terms of the vote - ie pure majority wins...as well it should. That's it. done dusted as far as im concerned. I still vote SNP though - because my local labour Mp is a cnut and also the female snp mp (not nicola lol) for our area is a very good mp and has a reputation and past track record as a councilor of getting things done for the local people. There is nobody else in our constituency that puts in the hours...we were a labour taken for granted heartland....nobody even bothered canvassing labour supporters up hear in previous elections such was the "im in a job for life" mentality that was prevalent up here amoungst labour mp's. So you see the rise of the SNP isn't all to do with independence it is to do with shaking this place up a bit, Oh and the bribes from Westminster parties to vote on certain issues in certain ways (ALL the smaller nations do this lol).....So yes that means if I vote SNP I will get a better deal for my locality than say if I were to vote labour or tory......It is just straight forward think of thyself mentality...Im just being honest by the way. If I still lived in the south east of kent (Did for 13 years) then id be well pissed off with the Scottish getting "more"...and the Welsh and the Irish lol....But hen again the SE of england has much better wori opportunities and the standard of life is in some was higher...well it was...my mates down south paint a very bleak picture of life there at the moment. If I was in the south east I would be looking for a local party that wanted to start bargaining for me....a type of localized english national party...That's what you need dressed up nice nad pretty like the snp rather than in your face GRRrrrr aka UKIP lol. Anyway sorry I have went off on a tangent and rambled on...but just though i would give the thoughs of an scotsman who has lived,loved and worked bothy sides of the border and has many close friends and family on both sides too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Love you diddy...... which is all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 It's clearly explained by the good old humble British sausage,. It explains why the EU is a total waste of time for us give a video a quick watch then you'll understand what alot of companies have to put up with why those shithole companies in the EU send us cheap filthy crap ;- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35648212 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigout Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 As each day passes it looks more and more like were going out the door. I just hope there is enough people that stick to the knowledge of the past 40 years and do not taking into account all the lies that the stay campaign keep putting out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I just hope there is enough people that stick to the knowledge of the past 40 years and do not taking into account all the lies that the stay campaign keep putting out there. Agreed and tbh i think the stay lot are simply scare mongering etc, not once have i seen a valid argument from he stay camp and instead its all doom and gloom if we leave. Britain thrived long before the EU and will do long after, just a shame the PM and co don't think that...or maybe they do but are too concerned with keeping their pals happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigout Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I think it's more about protecting their own future within the EU. It alarms that that Cameron has stated he won't be running again for PM which makes me think that he knows he's shafting us and won't get another term. I'm extremely worried for my kids future if we stay in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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