Zeftron Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I've never been a particular fan of Apple products, but in the age of paranoia about terrorists, the fact that they are prepared to take a stand has to be worth something. But, are they justified? Is the fact that the fbi wants to break into a terrorist's phone enough grounds to allow them to? Is it really a principled stand or is the marketing department just trying to draw attention away from the two major software problems that have cropped up this week? Under what circumstances would you be happy about a company granting access to a locked and encrypted device? If it belonged to a terrorist? If it was Jimmy Saville's? Never? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 No IMHO they are not right to take a stand, in this case it isn't parania, the guy was a terrorist and is now dead. They have no real reason to refuse to do the job, even more so after a court has told them to do so.....as per norm its Apple being too big for its boots. Apple can argue its about peoples freedoms etc but in this case thats a piss poor excuse, I'm sure if Tims family were killed by that terrorist then he would have no issues doing as hes been asked. FBI are not asking Apple to release any software that will bugger up everyone elses phones etc, they just want the info on this specific phone from a terrorist and by refusign to do so Apple are being bigger tossers than they usually are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Wouldn't it be better and easier for Apple to give them the details ( with a warrant ) instead of giving the fbi complete access to every phone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Wouldn't it be better and easier for Apple to give them the details ( with a warrant ) instead of giving the fbi complete access to every phone? It would so why don't apple do that? Just as they have the other 70+ times when asked by authorities since 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddy Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I think Apple are right here. The other 70+ times they have got they have accessed phones for security services they have done so themselves. This time the FBI want apple to write and give THEM the software complete with backdoors opened which if/when out in the wild would render apple phones the most insecure in the world. The fbi don't have the best record when it comes to espionage ect. I wouldn't buy an iphone if they succumbed to this openly. I don't even have anything to hide ffs....but I still want someone to have to get a court order to look at my shit ffs. Funny enough I was thinking how this makes a mockery of all the GHCQ and NSA collaboration where they snoop and have access to metadata of every piece of electronic communication that passes through UK waters (A hell of a lot of the world's comms pass through links in our waters..) That is basically what snowdon was on about and the whole world woke up to the fact that our governments "need" to spy on each other and us all of the time 24/7 365 ect ect......and yet they don't already know and cant hack themselves in a timely manner a bloody iphone lol. BTW I hate apple and all it stands for but I do think they are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardanpet Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I was under the impression that after ios8 the phone was encrypted from source, so Apple are not taking any stance, they are stating the obvious, there is no simple method to decrypt the phone without the users password. Put it another way, can we expect Microsoft to decrypt all of the files that are attacked by the malware cryptlocker, after all it does use the MS encryption libraries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeftron Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 My personal opinion is that they are taking this stand as a smokescreen to deflect the negative attention that their iOS updates have drawn. I'm waiting for them to claim that if you have an aftermarket home button then it will allow the FBI to decrypt your phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Protestors Gather Outside Apple Store To Support The Fight Against iPhone Backdoors Internet rights advocacy group Fight for the Future has taken to the streets to protest against the FBI’s demand that Apple provide a tool to allow it to access data on a locked iPhone, with Apple’s San Francisco store being the focus of that protest. FFTF co-founder Holmes Wilson helped to organize the protest at which people held aloft iPhones with Electronic Frontier Foundation stickers on that read “I do not consent to the search of this device.” Unfortunately, it’s going to take more than a sticker to stop the FBI. FFTF-protests-Apple-Stores Thankfully, Apple is refusing to help out with a ruling that ordered it to assist the FBI in its quest to gather intelligence from an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters. Apple CEO Tim Cook penned an open letter explaining why he and his company would not be complying, stating that to do so would set a precedent for backdoor access to future devices – something that Apple does not want to do, and it seems a vast majority of thought leaders from the world of tech, including Google CEO Sundar Pichai, are siding with Apple’s decision. The FFTF’s Holmes Wilson was quick to point out that while the FBI is indeed trying to gather information from the aforementioned iPhone 5c, this is likely the thin edge of the wedge, with the agency using a high profile terror case as a means to bend Apple to its will. Wilson said it’s possible that the FBI is leveraging the high-profile terrorist case to push its own agenda forward. The law enforcement body, as well as other U.S. government agencies, have for months argued in favor of prioritized access to encrypted consumer data, and a federal court blessing to procure a first-party workaround is a major step towards that goal. With that in mind, the most important thing to remember about Tim Cook’s open letter is one small, simple quote that puts all of this into perspective while perhaps showing why the next steps in this saga are so important. That quote? They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone. That, simply, cannot happen, no matter what Donald Trump might say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Again if it was Tim's family who got shot the news would be very different. Same for everyone who thinks they are right in their stance, all hypocrites,want governments etc to protect and do everything they can to stop terror attacks etc yet spout shite about privacy when it doesn't involve you directly. At the very least Apple could compromise and do it for this one device, don't agree the FBI needs a backdoor but Apple could do this one phone no problem, deluded if you think otherwise tbh. Didn't realise Apple ran things, how wrong was I, first they dictate how much taxes they are willing to pay and now they protect terrorists privacy. Re Snuffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeftron Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Also to follow on from Snuffs' point - they are even asking the mods to be done at Apple's HQ and then removed afterwards. Apple are just posturing on this trying to play the injured party. If they'd done it on the quiet and news had leaked they would have had a bigger PR headache to clean up afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suke Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I thought the idea was for Apple to unlock the phone and then pass it on to the FBI.. Whats wrong with that. The bloke was a known terrorist and i guess most of the people on the phone list would be involved in a similar thing. Get it open Apple and lets sort the terrorists out before another dreadful incidence occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuctifano Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I recently read on article on ARS about a guy in the states , he had all ready putt his hands up to the drugs charges . Yet the Feds are still seeking to have apple open the device. It's to set a precedent . And , as much as apple are cunts , I think there doing the right thing be resisting it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerbodger Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 The problem and issue isnt the fact or if its right or wrong. The issue is - there isnt anything out there to allow them to give them access.......If they were to create this it could be the end of the safe iphone. It doesnt matter how many safe hands it stays in, just creating it, is enough for it to be leaked and end the safe haven iphone users have had for such a long time. If it was available, its a no brainer - course they should give it, but its not and thats the way it should be. If there is a way Apple can help and protect its product, then they should do everything they can, but it seems there not. As for Apple, i work in retail and yes they think there Gods, they dictate everything and make you pay for everything - they pay for nothing, thats how big they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuctifano Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 The device in question was on iOS 7 , so they could open it . Basically there looking for oem's to put in back doors . And gimp the remote wipe function Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legolamb Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Maybe Apple have seen the success of the Toyota Hilux in certain parts of the world and are looking for the same success in the comms market. Having every tom dick or harry listening into your latest scheme is not a good sales pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuctifano Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Spot on lol :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigout Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 I think they're right but when it comes to Law and Order, I guess it's getting the balance right. If an appointed Judge makes a legal judgement within that country then it should be obeyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Maybe Apple have seen the success of the Toyota Hilux in certain parts of the world and are looking for the same success in the comms market. Having every tom dick or harry listening into your latest scheme is not a good sales pitch. Thing is mate they (NSA etc) already listen to calls and what not regardless of the handset, they don't need apple for that, they need Apple to do as a judge has asked them and open the bloody phone so they can get the contacts etc etc. We all know if it was Tims family who had been involved in a terror attack and the FBI wanted Apple to open a phone it would be done with no questions asked and certainly no BS privacy arguments. As with most things its a case of until it happens to you/them, same for everyone who thinks Apple are right to resist, all hypocrits as if it was your family killed by said terrorist etc then you'd be more than happy to argue for Apple to unlock it etc.....anyone who says otherwise is a fooking liar or thinks very little of their own family members. Bet no one here could refuse a court order without ending in prison. We have all seen the films etc where big corps run the world and dictate laws etc etc to governments.........Apple all over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigout Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 It's wrong isn't it Snuffs99, money again just look at the other laws they get away with. The people need to stand up to these corporations and put them back in line with the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 Well seems Apple wont be needed as the FBI have gained access to the phone via other parties...says a lot for Apples security and their self rightious "we are protecting our customers privacy" BS doesn't it..... so now they have basically forced a hack of their system by a third party.........Think thats called a Fail. Best part is this bit Apple said it did not know how to gain access, and said it hoped that the government would share with them any vulnerabilities of the iPhone that might come to light. I hope the government tell them where to stick it tbh, cheeky fooks, we wont break into it but if you do please tell us and help us make it more secure........some brass neck that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 By all accounts it's not as hard as you think ;- http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/john-mcafee-reveals-how-to-crack-the-iphone-on-live-tv/84944695/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted March 29, 2016 Share Posted March 29, 2016 By all accounts it's not as hard as you think ;- http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/john-mcafee-reveals-how-to-crack-the-iphone-on-live-tv/84944695/ Didn't think for one second it would be that hard.........only made Apples stance on the matter all the more bullshit and simply makes them look foolish now that its been done by a third party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 didnt the feds get a court order ordering apple to create a program to bypass their own security? no wonder apple told them to do one, no one is going use your own time and money to break into their own security so they where quite right to force them to get some one else to do it imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 didnt the feds get a court order ordering apple to create a program to bypass their own security? no wonder apple told them to do one, no one is going use your own time and money to break into their own security so they where quite right to force them to get some one else to do it imo. ?? eh, so they were right refusing a court order (you try refusing a court order you'll be in prison) and forcing the FBI to use a 3rd party to break in...Well all Apple have achieved is showing the world just how shit their security really is?? great business sense there. Like i've said before if it were Tims family caught up in terror activities and the FBI wanted the phone unlocking then the attitude would have been far different, in fact i bet they would not have had to ask as Apple would have offered..... as would anyone who say Apple were right. Apple achieved fuck all other than showing what c#nts they really are IMHO. Apple may feel they have their integrity because they didn't give in to the FBI, yet the FBI now has access to the phone anyway and a way to do every other Apple phone...Well played apple, PMSL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 what i meant was they where right to refuse to spend time and resources on it. if they had the info or ability to access it before hand then they should of handed it over but they didnt (or said they didnt) so i think they where quite right to make the feds get some one else to do it. and yes apple are coonts makes me wonder why some one hadnt bypassed their security before if the feds got a 3rd party to do it so easily tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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