Fon Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Sick! Should certain people denounce whats happened? I mean, if the suicide bomber was Muslim, should others Muslims denounce he's actions? What if he had black hair? Should other people with black hair denounce it? What about if he's name was Pete? Fon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I stupidly watched a vid on Twitter last night about it and hardly slept all night... Totally shocking and made me feel sick tbh. Fuckin kids man Most people of any station have condemned it already regardless of the murders beliefs or outlook on life. Horribly when it happens in other places we don't give a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Brings it home that no one is safe really, i live not far from the city center. Can have all the security in the world but lets face it someone turns up with a rucksack in a crowd and want to blow people up there is really nothing that can be done to stop it. Just being silly with the black hair (ginger maybe) and name of pete, but Should Muslims denounce it? Fucking right they should. Anyone who isn't a terrorist and has an incling of a caring heart should IMHO. This was done in the name of a fucked up version of Islam (isis have claimed it) so for me if anyone from the Muslim community comes on live tv and starts spouting about how this isn't Islam etc etc then yes i think its only right that they should denounce it...... i'm not a muslim but i still denounce it ffs, sure i have dark brown hair which could be mistaken for black but i dont denounce it because of that, i denounce it because its wrong on every level IMHO. And its not that we dont give a shit when it happens elsewhere Ktv, well i certainly do but when it happens in France etc there isn't really much you can do other than watch, when it happens in your own back yard however its how you deal with it that matters and the people of Manchester have come together and dealt with it very well IMHO, lots of heroes from all walks of life. I am very proud to be part of the Manchester community today, i've been out and about most of the day and everyone has come together, taxi companies giving out free "escape" rides and the homeless helping out those who were injured last night....cafes giving helpers and emergency services free food and drink and even people like myself opening up homes for those who are in need today etc etc. Very proud RIP to all those who lost their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fon Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 If Isis have claimed they were responsible should other Muslims feel the need to denounce it though? Im getting loads of shit on my facebook feed, of hatred for Muslims, saying they should state their position etc. Its bollox. Its nothing to do with Islam, its all to do with some twat blowing kids up. When have you ever (big assumption) denounced the crusaders, or the Brits invasion of Hongkong? Why should you feel the need to? What on earth did you have to do with the crusaders, or the British empire stomping all over the world? Fon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 It's got fuck all to do with Islam imo. Isis can claim anything but it doesn't make it true either, they claim all sorts but why the fuck would we believe these maniacs. Isis murder 1000x Muslims than they do any one else and they are denounced constantly by the greater Islamic community. The reason they feel they have to is just probably because anytime anyone who's ever seen the inside of a mosque commits a crime the "Muslim= bad" is reported by the mainstream media Snuffs I agree with you about the resilience of the people of Manchester and it obviously his home more the closer it is but I meant caring about the ones dying in Syria, iraq, Libya ect ect that barely even makes the news, we don't get minutes silences for the people of countries like Somalia and Yemen who are being slaughtered. Maybe if we pressurised our gov too stop being involved in fucked up things abroad then fucked up things wouldn't happen here. Just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 If Isis have claimed they were responsible should other Muslims feel the need to denounce it though? Im getting loads of shit on my facebook feed, of hatred for Muslims, saying they should state their position etc. Its bollox. Its nothing to do with Islam, its all to do with some twat blowing kids up. When have you ever (big assumption) denounced the crusaders, or the Brits invasion of Hongkong? Why should you feel the need to? What on earth did you have to do with the crusaders, or the British empire stomping all over the world? Fon I get where your coming from in the "NEED" to denounce it and no i don't think the Muslim community "needs" to denounce anything but i do feel that if they go on telly they should distance themselves as much as possible by denouncing it, do they need to? no they don't. Should they as a human beings with feelings?? yes they should. Forgetting Islam for a moment....As a human being of no religion what so ever do you denounce the actions of this attack? If so why make an issue of Muslims denouncing it, or not. Anyone IMHO, regardless of their religion who doesn't denounce this act is sick in the head tbh. And the "its nothing to do with Islam" argument is only your view mate as according to ISIS its all to do with Islam etc...And from my point of view its more like, Sure your interpretation is nothing like theirs but its all from the same book. Re: Snuffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2905 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Seriously? This is all bollocks. Fuck the Muslims, we need to start closing Mosques that are associated with terrorism and other crimes. I'm so sick of the same old "Islam is a peaceful religion" nonsense. This is a problem that is not going to go away, there's not a damn thing we can do about it but one thing we shouldn't do is to do nothing. I really don't give a shit about offending Muslims, this country would be better place without them here, they bring absolutely nothing positive to the table. The worst thing about the current situation with these radicalised Muslims is that they plot and carry out terrorism without even making a demand that would bring about a ceasefire. For most of us, our experience with terrorism was the IRA, at least they had a purpose. These pricks just have a desire to kill non Muslims. I was born and raised in a multicultural city, i have friends from many ethnic backgrounds and always hated racism. Mainly because growing up i've seen my friends get racially abused and have been called "nigger lover" and "paki lover" because i had black and indian friends. Having seen how things have played out over my lifetime, I have developed a pretty intense dislike for Muslims. I wouldn't go so far as to say i hate them but i have very little tolerance or respect for them and that makes me feel a certain amount of disappointment in myself but i am at least honest with myself. You're all naive if you don't think there's a significant level of support for ISIS within many mosques in the uk. You're also naive if you don't realise that there's a majority of people in the UK that feel exactly the same as me. If the powers that be continue to do nothing there will come a point when the shit really hits the fan and deep down i hope that happens sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I think saying Isis have significant support in mosques when it's Muslims who suffer the most from their atrocities is way of the mark and ott tbh. I don't believe for a second most people think that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 When I get the Jehovah witness's kocking on my door or the owd couple pushing a cartoon picture of Jesus on to me their not carrying an AK47, and I dont hear them saying "If you are a non believer you must die". As for Crusaders and Hong Kong? lets not lets look back into the depths of history to find some kind of justice for these lunatics actions, lets look at today and our future. If were gonna dredge up sh!t from way back what about my great great great great great Grandad dragging my great great great great great Grandma out their cave by her hair to go to raid next doors bommy for their dinner ?. I would personally stop allowing the building of anymore religious building regardless of which God they bow down to, we've got enough and if you feel the need to prey? , do it at the end of your bed, it's a load er bollox anyway Jesus was a early day hippie with the gift of the gab and very good with the slight of hand (that old trick, wine into water) and Mohammad consummated his marriage when she was 9 years old, what does that tell you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Spark Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Killing is wrong and as such should be denounced by all mankind. As for other comments; we have to respect choice? If someone chooses Jesus why would you put them down; same as if someone does not why would you judge them? Church in our country fills huge gaps in care and community; its good and I happen to think people meeting at Church is v good. Perhaps (depending on what you believe) the people who do the killing are lied to be it spiritually or by another or both; radicalised is what we call it - now that's the route cause ? If we agree that's the route cause then we have a question. "What makes a man believe its OK and a good thing to kill those not believing what he feels is 100% correct" ? Why would he think that? Destroying/killing and destruction?? My heart and prayers go out to all those people in such tragic times; such a barbaric act. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Spark no problem with people and church, all's I say is, people of today are been murdered in the name of ....... and have been done since the dawn of time right back to the Aztecs. It has been at the root of all evil for as long as we've walked on this Planet. Religion is fine for old granny smith and her cream cup cakes at the local summer fate collecting to save the church bell but religion also carries a far sinister motive with dire consequences for those who do not follow or the same ideologies. Take religion away and millions of lives will be saved. So, 1) Stop murdering innocent people over it, 2) Stop knocking on my door telling me God will save me, he doesn't exist and never has, 3)If I need their God I will go to one of the millions of Worshipping houses in Britain thankyou, there's more of them than mini Tesco's 4)Stop all the kiddie fiddling and rape that most religions protect, 5)Stop meeting at the House of God , meet at the pub, you'll get more truth and sense and better music, 6)Stop building anymore houses of worship, how many do we fookin well need ? or get the local urban squatter gang to take over a few, they might even get rid of the smell of pish most old folk leave behind 7) 8) 9) 10) I'll leave 7 8 9 10 for someone else to fill in Im sure someone else has similar views Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Spark Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 As I say golringers everyone as choice I happen to disagree with you on most of yours; but then that's ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 No worries , God knows best hey ! (turns round to make sure he's not reading this thread) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 turns out its all the same god too figure that one out ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Hit a bit closer to home today. 15 year old Olivia Campbell was one of the 22 victims and was a friend of my daughter. RIP Ovilia, god bless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 )-: So sad. It's a mad mad mad mad world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Yep, gotta agree, it's a pure utter mad world we live in and getting worse. What you use make headline news when I were young dont even make the small print in local rags. It's time we stepped up to the platE and assassinate a few these in charge. The father of the bomber was well known figure in a Didsbury were he would regular read prayer at a local mosque and your telling me one knew his strong believes and support for ISIS or he wasn't recruiting ??? a quick peek at his facebook page littered with support for ISIS this might have raised a suspicion or two especially with his son moving back and forth,I will never believe that no one knew. Plus local residents said the bomber had ISIS flags hanging out his bedroom window ?? come on , one dawn raid might have stopped this from happening. On the subject of flagging up people who travel back on forth out the country. Years ago I use to travel back and forth to Malaga on the local cig run to make a few extra bob. I went 3 times in a month and was stopped and questioned for 2 hours and that was leaving over fooking cigs. So why aint we homing in on these dangerous countries and the movement of young men back and forth especially when they are on the radar and revoke passports ??. I got my passport taken off me years ago for slapping a dickhead outside a football ground so I couldn't go to England way games. I had to surrender it and sign in at a local Police station, again for slapping someone. My point is, we need to home in on these particular things and try yes try to prepvent these guys moving back and forth if they so much smell a hint of ISIS. When they are recruited they just dont become skilled bomb makers , they are taught and by who? those in these fookin shithole countries.. As Kenny Everett once famously said;- "Round them up, put them in a field and bomb the bast*rds !!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2tone Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I might have this wrong goldringers but from what is being said this guy was flagged up a number of times by people in his own community, my problem is if whats being said is true why was he left to his own devices for so long was he being used by MI5/MI6 for information and possibly this guy out smarted them there's a good chance we will never know as governments seem to think the comm man or woman doesn't need to know this sort of information. I really hope this is not true as a lot of family's and friends will be left morning for many years to come after this sick event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Can't keep a continuous eye on all the risky individuals. There is no reliable method to stop such behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldringers Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 True Scorps but when you hang a black flag out your bedroom window with Arab writing on it (we'll guess on what it said hey) and you are already on the watch list + you mentioned to two people that blowing yourself up for the cause was OK to do and this was reported to the Police with no action taken, They did more about the NF and the BMP in the 70's-80's than they've done about ISIS in fear of arresting innocent Muslims who are only practising their faith. Lets not forget, ISIS stands for terrorism and anyone who follows ISIS in the UK should be treated as a terrorist simple as. Give the powers to the Police to raid any known supporters at any time they feel, deport anyone who's here from another country and who have remote links to ISIS , take no chances, Get the Muslim community involved to educate there young about radicalisation, I'm not a Muslim, I dont pray everyday and I dont live in a mainly Muslim area so on a day to day basis or attendant Mosque or read Islamic websites or infact any fookin religious crap. Those who do and Muslim leaders need to get their fookin fingers out their arse and start naming. Don't fookin tell me they dont know because they do as proved. Manchester born young are the head of the recruitment for ISIS. The Muslim community and the Police force are the key to the fight against terrorism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aftabkhan1 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 according to reports this guy was reported to the police at least 4 times his own mother reported him to the police his local mosque that he went to banned him because of his extreme views what else can the Muslim community do, it was the job of the police mi5 to arrest him and take him of the streets you have to think what could be the reasoning behind the powers that be to not take any action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 you have to think what could be the reasoning behind the powers that be to not take any action. Wild guess but I'd say it was probably fear of wolf effect and the usual screaming of racism from various communities, no doubt had he been arrested for "possible" terror threats the Muslim community would have had their say on how he was a loving Muslim and Islam is peaceful blah blah blah etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 according to reports this guy was reported to the police at least 4 times his own mother reported him to the police his local mosque that he went to banned him because of his extreme views what else can the Muslim community do, it was the job of the police mi5 to arrest him and take him of the streets you have to think what could be the reasoning behind the powers that be to not take any action. sadly the above is true according to the media. even other governments had warned mi5 about him. i dont buy the authorities where too scared to act for a second, their inaction speaks volumes about their agenda as far as im concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aftabkhan1 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 cone on mate thought you were more intelligent than that I just told u the mosque banned him his own mother reported him to the authorities even his friends reported him for extremist views. the Muslim community had reported him so ur argument is invalid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neoburner Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Only time I am going to place this out there, I want the forum to be tech based with an element of the every day news... if any of the rules are broken with flames, trolls, targeted personal threats and the usual crap that turned another 'forum' into a dying trade I will simply delete it. Considering your last post was in 2016 afta and you pop up out of nowhere to already throw posts like you did other places I will kick off..... Goes for all... rational responses with evidence will only be here! There's another forum which that sits on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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