ktv303 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Employers can read workers' private messages sent via chat software and webmail accounts during working hours, judges have ruled. The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) said a firm that read a worker's Yahoo Messenger chats sent while he was at work was within its rights. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35301148?SThisFB theyl be demanding to read the text on your phone next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Let them go for it...I head-up all IT infrastructure and comms at work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 ye doubt our IT guy has the knowledge to look into ours.... . not that we use it during work right enough (in case hes watching lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think its right tbh, should be doing their jobs rather than emailing and chatting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 i kninda agree, well if he was doing professional stuff for another company or even himself while being paid by them then they should bump him. however as the norm with these things employers will use it as an excuse you read your whatsapp etc your using for just general chitty chat even if its done on your break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuffs99 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 i kninda agree, well if he was doing professional stuff for another company or even himself while being paid by them then they should bump him. however as the norm with these things employers will use it as an excuse you read your whatsapp etc your using for just general chitty chat even if its done on your break. So keep the phone turned off when your not on breaks......can't look at sommat if its not there. Am quite shocked they can look at email that doesn't belong to the company though, ive always known they have a legal right over their own email accounts but this is new.......not a real issue though, use works email for work and your own for home etc...i think stories like this always make it out to be worse than it really is tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardanpet Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 things to note It was in the Company policy that no private use of the work systems was allowed The messenger had business contacts connected. and, am I allowed to post here seeing all you lot are super mods and I am a nobody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 ye it was his own fault tbf, now we could all potentially be over scrutinised. i read the same story in the daily record, granted its not the most news worthy of outlets but they where saying your boss could now demand to see your phone and read all your texts. dont know how true that is but it did make me wonder how they can read your whatsapp....surely thats only a phone app? no doubt because of this guys stupidity (in taking them to court) the eu will publish half arsed rules now that will be open to interpretation by all and sundry. ye mard, this is an open thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinistermonk Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 i read the same story in the daily record, granted its not the most news worthy of outlets but they where saying your boss could now demand to see your phone and read all your texts. dont know how true that is but it did make me wonder how they can read your whatsapp....surely thats only a phone app? Now, that would be an invasion of privacy. If you're supposed to be working then, fair enough online messages should be open to view to your employer. But where do you draw the line at obscuring things said out of work that are personal and not relevant to you employer. mine field opening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddy Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Wait until a savy worker sends a message saying our boss" KTV is a XYZ "during his break to a colleague. Said colleague then sends an unrelated text during working time and person A is now in shit for doing nothing "wrong" lol. As said though surely common sense to keep to business only between the hours of work. I suppose I and many others are old enough to remember going to work without mobiles ect and we were only in contact with friends and family during our free time. Oh how times have changed. As an aside my sister in law actually runs an office of 30+ people and some of the bollocking and even a sacking she has had to dish out due to complete spanners using company pc's to view inappropriate sites lol. The sacked guy was apparently into viewing Dailyarse.com (dont know if it still exists lol this is going back a few years). The tears were running down her face when she was telling me how the sacking/meeting went lol. It involved the tech guy providing them with printouts and examples ect for her and her more senior area manager (apparently a very straight laced lady) apparently the hour or so it took was very tense in many ways lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singer61 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 when you are at work , you are at work , shouldnt be on mobiles and suchlike, i wonder how my patients would be if i was on my phone while goin up their rear end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoponbaby Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 That would be more arsetime than facetime - sure there are website for that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singer61 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 u fecker hopon m8 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techmob Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Not read the article, but this something built in to your policy and that such things should not be happening and staff sign on this as part of employment.l Break the rule, you go and or can be investigated by IT Not sure how the legal right helps as long as you follow above, although just gives us more rights to snoop Lync/Skype business has logging anyway, and I'll be having that enabled with reports sent to management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2905 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It was coincidental reading this yesterday. My other half is a department head at very big national company. Tomorrow she's going in to fire a girl who's still on probation for constantly using social media at work. It's a problem for this particular department and she's given them all multiple warnings and yet the team leader keeps reporting that they just ignore the warnings. She's hoping that terminating this girls employment will make them stop, otherwise she will be forced to take them through the whole disciplinary procedure. To me it's unbelievable that they keep doing it even after they get caught out. It's a big problem within this particular department because they used to have a manager who turned a blind eye to the problem.Unfortunately for them they now have my mrs overseeing their department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddy Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It was coincidental reading this yesterday. My other half is a department head at very big national company. Tomorrow she's going in to fire a girl who's still on probation for constantly using social media at work. It's a problem for this particular department and she's given them all multiple warnings and yet the team leader keeps reporting that they just ignore the warnings. She's hoping that terminating this girls employment will make them stop, otherwise she will be forced to take them through the whole disciplinary procedure. To me it's unbelievable that they keep doing it even after they get caught out. It's a big problem within this particular department because they used to have a manager who turned a blind eye to the problem.Unfortunately for them they now have my mrs overseeing their department. I must mention that my sister in law actually got taken to a tribunal for unfair dismissal as the guy said he had notified the company that he was under pressure/depressed ect and his workload was still the same leading him to dailyares and the likes lol.......apparently it was a very close thing as far as who won/lost...in the end the employee lost the case and it was all done and dusted, but it took a good many months. Make sure your misses has HR check all the i's are dotted and t's crossed as sacking someone who has employment rights (1 year service i believe) is a difficult process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz2905 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 She's aware of it. Like i said, this girl is still on probation she has a couple of months left. It's not just the social media, she's no good at the job either and makes too many mistakes. The social media thing was the straw that broke the camels back though. My mrs has HR qualifications and has spoken to her director who told her to wield the axe. They also have an in house lawyer if she does need advice and a seperate HR department. She has a conference call tomorrow about another disciplinary with the lawyer and director, they always take every precaution with disciplines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I dunno why companies don't just block things if they don't want the staff using it. Not exactly hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktv303 Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 ye i thought the same rusty. still think this is a minefield waiting to explode on some poor sod. what if your going through a discipline or grievance procedure and they decide to have a look at all your convos with your union rep? surely your right to privacy must have a bit of standing under these rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoponbaby Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Suppose a lot would depend on whether you are using: Works PC Works Internet Works Mobile If it's on a personal phone and using your own 3/4G data then a lot more protection. @Rusty, it's easy enough to block out certain sites if they're going through your internet, if they're just using personal phone which is still the same waste of time then a lot harder to monitor and enforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 If you're going to use a personal phone, encrypt it... they have no right to ask for the encryption key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazzasurf Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I'm on android, how can i do that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigout Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 This is an awful ruling, I can understand if it's on works equipment say a company phone but on someones private phone that's just totally wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I'm on android, how can i do that ? Settings => Security => Encrypt Phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 No way would i give them anything at all tell them where to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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