Immigration simplified

[Snuffs99]

Saw this and though it was quite good and on point....any thoughts?

 

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[ktv303]

Over simplified and full of assumptions I'd say.

Do the elitists take immigrants to help world poverty?

And given that America was built by immigrants I doubt there would be much infrastructure without them tbh.

Didn't see a single person in the room that wasn't a descendant of an immigrant either lol.

 

Here's a view on what would happen in the UK if even newcomers left

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-foreign-born-workers_uk_57f4f023e4b0052b8ffca31a?ncid=tweetlnkukhpmg00000008

 

 

 

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[daz2905]

That was a far more interesting video than i was expecting. You can't really argue with the numbers and he talks a lot of sense too.

[Snuffs99]

Over simplified and full of assumptions I'd say.

Do the elitists take immigrants to help world poverty?

And given that America was built by immigrants I doubt there would be much infrastructure without them tbh.

Didn't see a single person in the room that wasn't a descendant of an immigrant either lol.

 

Here's a view on what would happen in the UK if even newcomers left

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/uk-foreign-born-workers_uk_57f4f023e4b0052b8ffca31a?ncid=tweetlnkukhpmg00000008

 

It is over simplified and probably a tad presumptuous i'll give you that, but its more pointing out that mass immigration in to the US won't solve poverty, i was watching and thinking its not far off in the grande scheme of things.......All those people fleeing the war in Syria for instance, surely it would be easier to just shoot Assad and have done.

 

I'm not saying the UK should remove all those who have immigrated here legally, far from it but i do think we should have better checks on our boarders and worry more about our own homeless and what not before we try to fix the worlds problems.

 

I'm all for taking in and helping those who have skills and i'm certainly more than happy helping those who genuinely need help but when your crossing umpteen "safe" countries just to get here its hard not to lose sight of the real victims and think most are simply taking the piss.

Take the "children" that we have taken in over the last week or so from the jungle for instance, sure there were some that i'd class as children with no doubt, but many of the ones i saw were not helpless and certainly not what i'd call "children".

 

I know the media likes to twist and bend the the truth a lot as its anything to get a story but still pisses me off when you more or less know many are taking he piss and abusing the system.....Also makes me wonder why countries like Africa are not super rich by now....hell Live aid was in 1980 and has made 10's millions since then yet i still see children without water on my TV ffs....although i must admit it makes me laugh when i can give £3/month for a child to have clean drinking water yet it'll cost me double that to sponsor a donkey or feed a dog at the dogs trust.

 

Just one fucked up world we live in tbh where greed rules. I'm glad in a lot of ways that 100 years from now i'll be long gone and wont have to see what a complete and utter shit place this world will become, lets face it humans could wipe out world hunger and what not in a day if we really wanted too.

 

 

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[ktv303]

i know mate

imagine thinking your helping a 14 year old flee a war zone

when in actual fact your helping a 18 year old flee a war zone.

 

oh the trauma lol

[Snuffs99]

i know mate

imagine thinking your helping a 14 year old flee a war zone

when in actual fact your helping a 18 year old flee a war zone.

 

oh the trauma lol

 

Flee a war zone? where? didn't realise France, Germany and every other safe EU country they pass through were war zones, my mistake.

 

And yes it is a trauma that 18+ year olds take the place of children. In my world its women and children first, not adult men....In this case your sarcasm really is the lowest form of wit mate.

 

 

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[Diddy]

Remember to vote remain on the 23rd guy's.....Oh wait F*** you, not I voted out lol - Anyway back onto to immigration.

Surely the lead thought here is does a certain company in a certain area have a requirement for labour and have found that the local population is either not skilled in the role/roles OR their are not enough locals available for whatever reason to do the work. Reasons can be anything from the money is not enough right through to "Im 16 and I AINT doing that". What can you do other than import the workforce ?

I think we could do with a few new initiatives with regards job's and the advertising of positions ect. These are just thoughts of mine -

Companies locating to a certain area should be "required" to advertise their jobs to the local population1st - say 50 mile area. Could be local job centres local newspapers ect Then and only then should they start to look further afield to nationally and finally internationally.

You could certainly enforce this for government/aka tax payer funded contracts - Infact this actually happens already in some areas

Enforce minimum wage with huge "put out of business kind" of fines for companies found to be flouting the law

As for seasonal jobs - Reform the benefits system so that benifits can be restarted automatically on day 1 of a claim - this will make fruit picking not a bad job for people who simply dare not do a seasonal job at the moment as they KNOW they will be faced with a whole month without pay of benefits at the end of their job......It is easy to say save ect...but we are talking about not very well paid jobs here so a bit of common sense as an approach

Another thing I saw when delivering to a farm is that the farmer has X amount of caravans on site to house the workers during the season - I wondered if a scheme with say homeless charities and other interested agencies could advertise at least some of these jobs to homeless people - a summer of a place to stay and a little pot of cash on the hip ready at the end of the season

Again farm work - why not get schools career officers guide the young who are just leaving school towards a bit of seasonal work for their 1st summer - Especially the not in education, work or training group who just leave school and kind of fester at home.

 

Anyway im going off topic - BUT I think we DO need immigration, We will always need immigration, we will always have unemployed...it is part of the capitalist structure that we live in we actually NEED unemployment lol...mad I know but that's the model the "west" runs with.

As I said during the brexit debate - School places, Homes, Hospitals, Doctors appointments ect ect - What is the common connector here ? Is it that immigration has put a huge unsustainable burden on these services OR Could it be that successive governments have squandered each and every extra pound that immigrants have earned the tax man on anything and everything apart from our and THEIR public services - remember these are tax payer public services and THEY are tax payers too.

[ktv303]

snuffs easy mistake to make if you believe the papers mate

 

the "children" we are grudgingly taking are from Syria....and the last time i looked it was a war zone.

 

but i suppose your right, if they manage to land somewhere else first then thats that countries problem eh

[Diddy]

Flee a war zone? where? didn't realise France, Germany and every other safe EU country they pass through were war zones, my mistake.

 

And yes it is a trauma that 18+ year olds take the place of children. In my world its women and children first, not adult men....In this case your sarcasm really is the lowest form of wit mate.

 

 

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Snuffs

 

Thing is snuffs as far as I can see yes these people do flee war torn countries - Maybe we should have stopped our own governments from interfering in those very wars - Maybe the "safe" countries that they passed through thought "Why should we put these guys up when It is/was the UK and their allies who bombed the shit out of their country" - Maybe when these people seen the UK flag on the tanks/planes or helmets of the forces on their lans...maybe they though well these guy's have liberated us - they must love us so much I think I will goto the UK and work like a slave for the rest of my life to repay their kindness.....

Now im well aware that the UK -"can't take em all" but im not particularly sure why greece or italy should take ANY considering that they never created this problem.

Think of it like going into a posh shop and ignoring the "do not touch" sign and smashing the £10,000 ornament - You broke it - You fix it. The UK public NEED to accept responsibility for their elected governments foreign policy - It is all of us to blame for our governments actions, If we can't be arsed to rise up and boot em out if they are over stepping the mark - Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Lybia....and they are just the ones we admit to buggering up we bugger up plenty other places secretly lol - anyway apart from Stop the war ect nothing was done to stop the governments of the day from taking action So therefor it must then become OUR problem of how to deal with the aftermath.

[daz2905]

I'm still trying to count gumballs, i have no idea what the fook you lot are on about 

[ktv303]

I'm still trying to count gumballs, i have no idea what the fook you lot are on about  [emoji14]

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